Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

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Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by jjwithers » Sat May 20, 2017 7:30 pm

I have a 32/11 final drive and a W1,078 on a '78 R100S but the speedo is reading about 10mph too fast at speeds over 30mph and the odometer is clocking up the miles pretty fast too.

I am reading that this is the correct speedo and final drive ratio.
I'm uncertain about what 5Speed transmission is in there. It could be the culprit.

Perhaps somebody changed something along the way... like the gearing in one of the two components. Or it is the tranny.
I have W 1,112 and W 1,114 speedometers lying around that I could swap in.

I'm assuming that the W 1,112 would be the appropriate next step up but what could I be risking? Would the speedo get closer to what I am after by reading even slower, or would it be worse?
Any other advice would be appreciated.

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Re: Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by Rob » Sat May 20, 2017 8:42 pm

I think the first thing to do is determine the final drive gearing.
It can be done easily, but you may need to pull the universal boot to count the revolutions. With two people, one could probably try and feel the rotations through the boot while the other person pushes the bike for one tire rotation.
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Re: Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by jagarra » Sat May 20, 2017 11:39 pm

That speedometer is correct for the ratio, here is a link to Snobums site with the info.
http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/ringgears.htm Maybe something is wrong with the speedo or your FD is mis-identified.
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Re: Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by jjwithers » Sun May 21, 2017 12:18 am

Thanks Rob,
To expand on what you said, I found this
"Place a mark on the tire and on the driveshaft. Place the transmission in neutral and spin the tire exactly two revolutions and count the number of times the driveshaft spins. This number equals your gear ratio."
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Re: Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by barryh » Sun May 21, 2017 2:21 am

W1078 is the number of speedo cable revolutions the speedo needs to record 1 mile travelled.

So if you were to use a W1112 or 1114 speedo in combination with your 32/11 final drive, they would read a lower speed and record lower miles on the odometer by 3% and 6% respectively.
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Re: Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by Chuey » Wed May 24, 2017 1:42 am

Aren't they notoriously optimistic, anyway? I mean, isn't that part of the design intent?

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Re: Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by barryh » Wed May 24, 2017 4:26 am

BMW's warranty tolerance was 10% + 2.4 MPH. The example they gave in the service bulletin was at a true 55 MPH the speedo would have to read in excess of 62.9 MPH before they would fix it.
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Re: Correct Speedo and Final Drive but Speedo is off

Post by jjwithers » Wed May 24, 2017 11:03 am

By this logic, I should be able to put in a spare 1114 speedo and it should 'slow' the odometer and speedometer down a bit.
I have yet to make the time to count the revolutions of the wheel vs driveshaft. Been a busy week.
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