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Steve in Golden wrote: Too bad she didn't have that AK-47 with her the other day - the sicko would've been outgunned.

A response that presumes the legitimacy of murder given a "correct agenda",
where "correct agenda" will be defined as "consistent with my own".
A troubling scenario, at best ...

vanzen@rockerboxer.com wrote:

Steve in Golden wrote: Too bad she didn't have that AK-47 with her the other day - the sicko would've been outgunned.

A response that presumes the legitimacy of murder given a "correct agenda",
where "correct agenda" will be defined as "consistent with my own".
A troubling scenario, at best ...

I am not quite sure what you mean Vanzen. I was being a little flippant, just trying to make a (not very funny I guess) joke, but was certainly not advocating "the legitimacy of murder". More like the legitimacy of self-defense. It's too bad someone in the crowd didn't have a weapon too. Perhaps the outcome would have been much different.

Steve in Golden wrote: I am not quite sure what you mean Vanzen. I was being a little flippant, just trying to make a (not very funny I guess) joke, but was certainly not advocating "the legitimacy of murder". More like the legitimacy of self-defense. It's too bad someone in the crowd didn't have a weapon too. Perhaps the outcome would have been much different.

Me neither. Also being "a little flippant", I suppose ... sorry 'bout that.
Had I been there & carrying – I can't even imagine that I would hesitate.
Maybe that self-realization stirred some mucky moral ground ...

The event is a tragedy in any case.

I'm a bit late to the discussion. Added training is a good idea, so for that I think it's a good idea. But, I wonder how it will be implemented. 15 hours riding around a parking lot would not provide much additional proficiency. Nothing can take the place of actual riding. A staggered licensing (like in other countries) is probably the best. I also think the staggered licensing should apply to cars as well. I don't think anyone who just got their license should be able to drive around in/on a high performance whatever (car, truck, motorcycle). Of course there will be those people saying that government is overstepping their authority by limiting “rights.”

Jeff in W.C. wrote:I'm a bit late to the discussion. Added training is a good idea, so for that I think it's a good idea. But, I wonder how it will be implemented. 15 hours riding around a parking lot would not provide much additional proficiency.

This is generally implemented as being fulfilled by the MSF beginner riding course, at least that's how it's done in the places I know of.

vanzen@rockerboxer.com wrote: Had I been there & carrying – I can't even imagine that I would hesitate.

Trouble with that Vanzen is someone else in the crowd might also be carrying, and when they see you coming to the rescue, they might end up plugging the wrong guy.

ME 109 wrote:

vanzen@rockerboxer.com wrote: Had I been there & carrying – I can't even imagine that I would hesitate.

Trouble with that Vanzen is someone else in the crowd might also be carrying, and when they see you coming to the rescue, they might end up plugging the wrong guy.

Or even worse, a shooting frenzy as more and more people join the gun battle not knowing what really is going on. It's not that I'm opposed to individuals carrying guns. It's more that I'm worried about the good intentioned, not properly trained person stepping in and further complicating the situation. Letting the general public carry arms and get involved complicates things exponentially, IMO.

And, I think there are many people out there, including myself, who if in that situation wouldn't hesitate to disarm the individual if given the opportunity. But, I'm not trained to handle guns, especially out in public.