Worn down camshaft, how to proceed?

[khittner1]

Apparently, when PITA says "Bye!" at the close of one of his posts, that means he's added you to his "enemies"/ignore list. I evidently hit a nerve of his in only one sentence. So, I'd like to thank the members of the academy . . .

[Steve in Golden]

Soon everyone on the forum will be on his ignore list and he will be posting to himself, and answering himself.

[PITAPan]

How little do you know.

Supershaft/funholiday nearly brought this forum to its knees. It is not a popular name round here and might be a reason that we are a little suspicious of know all blowhards.

I'd agreee. I read back a ways in the forum before I ever posted but I was looking for the presence of something else. Not finding it I determined it might be a decent place to hang out for awhile.

However you have said a great deal with few words.

Leetle story: Way back I hung out in some UseNet groups. These are the places, still existent, where trolls and flame wars were invented (AFAIK anyway). There are actually groups dedicated to both---they can be amusing if you want to see some real pros go at it. Well anyway one time I needed to communicate a piece of information, nightly, to a selected group of individuals, and extremely discreetly. What I did was find a very small group that was only carried on some private servers. They were a bunch of scoutmasters and hung out yakking scoutmaster stuff. Not knowing much about scouting and not caring much for what I did know, I couldn't join in the discussion on a convivial basis. So I posted as a troll. All the usual troll silliness including loud screaming headlines. This made my posts easy to spot in the small group. In such a group people do not usually display full post headers so I concealed the info payload in the headers. Header hacking is trivial on UseNet. Worked like a charm--in fact better than I would ever have imagined. As a group those guys circled the wagons and ignored me in a flash. They gave no indication of seeing a single post after the second day. I had never seen such behavior in a UseNet group. Somebody always had to feed the troll. Not these guys. So after the second day I kept the loud headlines for visibility but just put bits of poetry in the post bodies--mostly Grooks. Good stuff worth reading---in case anybody peeked. When my purpose was completed I said a polite goodbye, complimented them on their discipline and left. Doubt anyone ever saw it.

So when you say, "...nearly brought this forum to its knees." I gotta say, what's your problem? The structures of the 'net provide an ideal playground for all sorts of creeps and jerks. Just try adding up all the nasty kiddies bursting with keyboard kourage. On the screen they can spout all the garbage that would earn them a fast mouth full of knuckles face to face. You don't know this? The really scary part is that they can both reproduce and vote. I find the biggest challenge is keeping some sort of balanced view of humanity. Fortunately I have found good people to read and people that I really like to hang out with--typically for many years. It isn't a complete cesspool despite being a powerful putz magnet. But you need to take responsibility for what gets displayed on your screen. Zero excuse for not doing that.

I will confess FH/SS suckered me too. I engaged with him far to much (several weeks) before calling troll. Mea Culpa. But when I figure it out ("hey, I'm being trolled. Duh!") I fix it quick---and permanently. I met others who figured it out faster than I did--a day or so.

[Ken in Oklahoma]

You know, if you want to add me to your ignore list I'm OK with that. I don't see any likelyhood of anything productive coming from a discourse with you. As I talked about in a post that you probably ignored, I view the forum as a discourse of ideas, such that the parties involved have the opportunity to come out with a better understanding than they had. I didn't say it quite that way, but that's the gist of it. During the exchange of information it behooves the posters to support their conclusions, whether it be by logical rationale or by pointing to credible sources. Ad hominem or unsupported (when challenged) statements don't seem to be terribly effective in the pursuit of a common understanding.

This forum has another ingredient that I find satisfying, and by degrees rare. I have often likened this forum to a gathering of people with a common interest, who have gathered together in a social setting, discussing whatever they want, which can and does include the common interest that drew them together in the first place. Think BMW motorcycle rally. I have hosted several Boxerworks rallies at my place in Oklahoma. I have met many of the people who post here, and in the process developed actual friendships with many people. In addition there are many people here that I would like to meet personally, and I have no doubt that friendships would develop. I see this forum and the people involved in it as intertwined, in the finest sense of the word. This sense of kinship extends to many people in other countries who I will never get to meet.

And I get roused when I see someone apparently interested in sowing weeds in the gathering (to mix a metaphor).

My question to you is whether you are interested in being part of such a gathering? My experience of you so far suggests that the answer is no. If so that's too bad, probably both for you and the members of this forum. I think you have some ideas and knowledge to bring to the party. It would be a shame to miss out on that.

Does my vision of Boxerworks align with your desires at all?


Ken

[Joper]

Havent had the time to read all this but i assume it isnt about my bike.. Maby you could try to resolve it on another place?

Wellwell.

If anyone here have a camshaft and 4 lifters they wanna get rid off, im happy to buy them. Im trying to find everything from one seller so i dont have to pay for two expensive shipping costs.

/Johan

[PITAPan]

You know, if you want to add me to your ignore list I'm OK with that. I don't see any likelyhood of anything productive coming from a discourse with you. As I talked about in a post that you probably ignored, I view the forum as a discourse of ideas, such that the parties involved have the opportunity to come out with a better understanding than they had. I didn't say it quite that way, but that's the gist of it. During the exchange of information it behooves the posters to support their conclusions, whether it be by logical rationale or by pointing to credible sources. Ad hominem or unsupported (when challenged) statements don't seem to be terribly effective in the pursuit of a common understanding.

This forum has another ingredient that I find satisfying, and by degrees rare. I have often likened this forum to a gathering of people with a common interest, who have gathered together in a social setting, discussing whatever they want, which can and does include the common interest that drew them together in the first place. Think BMW motorcycle rally. I have hosted several Boxerworks rallies at my place in Oklahoma. I have met many of the people who post here, and in the process developed actual friendships with many people. In addition there are many people here that I would like to meet personally, and I have no doubt that friendships would develop. I see this forum and the people involved in it as intertwined, in the finest sense of the word. This sense of kinship extends to many people in other countries who I will never get to meet.

And I get roused when I see someone apparently interested in sowing weeds in the gathering (to mix a metaphor).

My question to you is whether you are interested in being part of such a gathering? My experience of you so far suggests that the answer is no. If so that's too bad, probably both for you and the members of this forum. I think you have some ideas and knowledge to bring to the party. It would be a shame to miss out on that.

Does my vision of Boxerworks align with your desires at all?


Ken

Ken I may not be able to answer before Sunday. I'm doing a big parts swap tomorrow and catching up on some things w/ my mechanical mentor and catching up with some old friends. Much to prepare and many miles to drive in a truck that still isn't ready. I got to get off the computer and get busy.

pp

[PITAPan]

Havent had the time to read all this but i assume it isnt about my bike.. Maby you could try to resolve it on another place?

Wellwell.

If anyone here have a camshaft and 4 lifters they wanna get rid off, im happy to buy them. Im trying to find everything from one seller so i dont have to pay for two expensive shipping costs.

/Johan

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Just side chatter--you aren't forgotten, no worries.

I told you I have a cam and said put a deal together. Nothing back. I posted it for sale and someone has already expressed interest.

I gather some others have made offers of some sort. You're still asking so those must not suit.

You found a cheap one one eBay but no word on what you ultimately think of the deal.

Most importantly (and I haven't been following ADV) no word if your block is workable. You may be looking for more than a cam???

Haven't looked to see if you have posted a wanted ad on the obvious places. Have you?

Don't have anything more I can offer at the moment. Can't speak for others of course.

[Joper]

Didnt see that! Sorry, must have missed it.. I used the adv thread while you guys used this for other stuff

I will use my case! Shouldnt be any problems.

I didnt think about the two different sizes in the timing cover while looking for a camshaft. chasbmw gave me the heads up on that topic, thanks for that! I think the one on ebay is a later one, still waiting for a reply tho.

Ill post some ads here and there this weekend!

[PITAPan]

Didnt see that! Sorry, must have missed it.. I used the adv thread while you guys used this for other stuff

I will use my case! Shouldnt be any problems.

I didnt think about the two different sizes in the timing cover while looking for a camshaft. chasbmw gave me the heads up on that topic, thanks for that! I think the one on ebay is a later one, still waiting for a reply tho.

Ill post some ads here and there this weekend!

You're getting fed some BS over there. Watch it.

You don't replace good big end bearings. You were looking for imbedded particles. None seen and babbit material not worn through and journals not scored, you're good.

You do replace the rod bolts---every time. If you plastigauge the bearings (wise, and cheap) you use your old bolts for that. Be sure to mark them well so they don't get mixed up with new ones. Old ones make handy plugs for the hydrualics on bikes that have them. You don't.

Look on the oiling diagram. All the plug locations are noted. Don't mess with them, those bores were made in manufacturing to create the passages. You never disturb them again. If you want to flush the system consult the oiling diagram and you will see where you can pump some oil/solvent in for flushing. Back flush the circuit between the oil filter and oil pump by putting a hose on the oil filter canister feed bore. Or forward flush from the oil pump end. Or go both ways from the pressure switch threading. Hose fully over the oil filter canister pipe (cover all holes) forward flushes up through the distribution ring on the front of the crank, etc.

I don't bother with any of this unless there is media blasting contamination--then I use plenty hot water and the crank comes out first. If you had crap in those passages you'd see some imbedded in the bearing shells.

You build with good assembly lube always. Then load with light oil (0W x whatever)--use cheap stuff. Warm it well (space heater under the block) run it for 15 seconds then change the oil. Repeat allowing plenty of drain time. if you used solvent to flush anything I'd do it a third time. Cheap oil is, well...cheap.

Any point in the oil circuit distal of the bearings is trivial. Just running down to the sump from there. Minor exception for the cam but it's drip lubricated. Crap gets wiped aside.

Failure to use clean tools when setting valves will get more garbage in your oil than almost anything else short of dirty filler gear.

Turn you onto some magnet tricks next week.

Edit: Dammnit I just made the same error again. I been thinkin' the same thing so long I forgot I finally got it right. ME109 didn't even straiten me out neithr (but I'm the wanker. Chure...) The oil pressure switch is NOT between the pump and the filter. Look on your oiling diagram carefully. Front of your factory manual and around the web too.

[daz]