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R90s pistons source
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:10 pm
by RickR90s
Looking for a good source to buy 1st over oem R90s pistons. They appear to be N/A at USA dealers.
thanks,
RPG
Re: R90s pistons source
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:22 pm
by mattcfish
RickR90s wrote:Looking for a good source to buy 1st over oem R90s pistons. They appear to be N/A at USA dealers.
thanks,
RPG
http://www.motoren-israel.com/product_i ... 15f66b7a89
Better than the originals. Excellent quality. Cheaper!
Re: R90s pistons source
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:05 pm
by Airbear
Re: R90s pistons source
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:46 pm
by RickR90s
Gentlemen, thanks so much,
RPG
Re: R90s pistons source
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:39 am
by chasbmw
I'm currently running the Wossner pistons from motoren Israel on my R90/6. They are nicely run in with around 5500 miles since April, off to Spain in a couple of weeks. No problems and the engine is very smooth (it was balanced). I can't remember what the nominal compression ratio is, I think that it is either 9.5 or 10.0. The bike runs nicely even at low revs (twin plugged, lightened flywheel, minor gas flowing)
Re: R90s pistons source
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:47 pm
by RickR90s
Chas, so you'd recommend the forged pistons? how is the oil use after the rebuild?
I have reservations only because I know the stockers are cast aluminum and I believe BMW engineer's (even from 1974) had their reasons for using them. I seem to recall that forged pistons used to require looser tolerances but maybe not so anymore. Some of the older V8's that I grew up listening to had noticeable piston slap with forged racing pistons.
Just thinking out loud.
thanks,
Re: R90s pistons source
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:21 pm
by mattcfish
RickR90s wrote:Chas, so you'd recommend the forged pistons? how is the oil use after the rebuild?
I have reservations only because I know the stockers are cast aluminum and I believe BMW engineer's (even from 1974) had their reasons for using them. I seem to recall that forged pistons used to require looser tolerances but maybe not so anymore. Some of the older V8's that I grew up listening to had noticeable piston slap with forged racing pistons.
Just thinking out loud.
thanks,
I don't think it's forged or cast that's the issue but the alloy used. Venolia pistons are famous for slap because of the alloy. They are more durable, but slap when cold, and require more bore clearance to accomodate the extra expansion.
Venolia only makes custom pistons for our bikes, so you need to ask them for a quote.
Another option for you is the Motoren Israel (Siebenrock/Wossner) 1000cc kit. That's what I have. The pistons are designed to work with your 90S heads. 9.5:1 compression. Mine aren't even fully broken in yet and I've got no oil consumption or slap issues.
http://www.motoren-israel.com/product_i ... -1975.html for pre 1975 and
http://www.motoren-israel.com/product_i ... -1980.html for models built after Sept. 1975. Not only do these have Lighter and bigger pistons, but you get the added advantage (better cooling and indistructability) of Nikasil jugs. Paint the jugs black, and few will know they aren't stock.
Re: R90s pistons source
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:56 pm
by chasbmw
Pistons are fine , oil consumption has gone down after break in, no noise issues. I might have also gone for the seibenrock piston+cylinder solution but the coats of the project were mounting up. On my other bike, a R90s replica, I used the seibenrock 1070 kit and had the cylinders powdercoated black, they look and work fine.
In general terms there is stuff out there which is made to much closer tolerances than what was available 35 years ago. (Excluding the cheap stuff made in wherever)