Can you identify this bike?

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Octarine
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Can you identify this bike?

Post by Octarine »

Hi, new poster here. I am looking at a R100S to possibly purchase in the area. I got a couple pictures but of course the pictures I took of the dash and vin area got corrupted. Cant go back to take more pictures, don't want the guy to know just how much I want this bike :)

Here's a link to the pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/octarinefi ... 938012344/

I believe it's a 79' based on the rear disc brake but the color I'm not sure about. Condition looks good, just some minor surface corrosion. The front right tube says made in W Germany but it kind of looks like the plate was supposed to be above there?

Anything else that you Airhead owners might notice that I would overlook? I plan to keep it as stock original as humanly possible. I'm NOT a cafe chopper kind of guy. Actually Im more of an RT kind of guy but I may be able to get this pretty cheaply.

Thanks!
Mike
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SteveD
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Other than the loose front indicators, mirrors, maybe steel bolts in the fairing instead of the rubber rivets and a seat cover that I think was from an earlier R90S, it looks good. Re: the black, it looks pretty good, a respray?
The shocks are stock, the centre stand tang has survived a long time and judging from the stain on the floor under the cs, it's been there a while.
Was there a small 3 digit paint code sticker under the seat? The black did exist according to this.....
http://www.bmbikes.co.uk/paintcodes/blacks.htm
Classic Black (Metallic)
Paint code:162
Scheme code: 162 / 506 / 656 / 640 / 670 / 679 / 709
R65 Mono (20kw), R80RT Mono, R80R, R100S, R100CS, R100RS Mono, R100RT Mono, R100LT Mono, R100R, K100LT, K100RS16V, K75, K75C, K75RT, K75S, K1, K1100LT, K1100RS

1978-1980: rear: single disc brake 260 mm / 10.23 in diameter

You need that vin.

und willkommen too!
Cheers, Steve
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Major Softie
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Difficult to be certain in the photos, but the pinstripes look like tape.
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Mal S7
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Post by Mal S7 »

It may not be an S.
The front engine and top engine covers look like later model to me. Hard to see on my phone.
I have a 78 model S motor for comparison. Not sure when they changed these things. 81 or later i thought ?!

If its a good price it may not matter anyway.

Hope you buy it and enjoy

Cheers
Mal
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Post by Mal S7 »

Hi again

On the computer now and can see a LOT better.

The ribbed timing chest and flat front cover I am pretty sure are post 81, as is the gearbox. (ribs visible on outer casing)

But it looks like its got the older ATE brakes, instead of brembos, and it has a clamshell air filter cover instead of the flat plastic thingy they went to

My guess is its either when they were changing, late 80 or early 81 ... so a factory bitsa ... or an owner bitsa...
It might even be that RT you were after!

Like Steve said you need the VIN & engine numbers if you really want to know.

Mal
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The combination of ATE front brakes, old style airbox, and generic BMW engine badges mark the basic bike as a '79. 1980 and later bikes had the black plastic airboxes with the flat style air filters; '81 and later had Brembo front brakes; '78 and earlier had model-specific engine badges. The seat has been recovered or replaced; that seat cover pattern was unique to the '74 R90S; '75 and later S models had seat covers with more embossed cross-seams. Looks like a nice one to put back on the road.
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Actually, I can't see the front brakes clearly enough to determine if they're Brembo or ATE. Rear caliper looks sort of Brembo-ish, but it's not clear, either. If they're Brembo, it's a bitsa bike, rather than an unambiguous '79.
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Post by Mal S7 »

Pic from a Dutch site, claims to be a 1980 model R100S. Same ribbed gearbox and timing chest, clamshell, flat front cover and ATE brakes. (visible if you open the pic in new tab).

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So, it could indeed be a genuine S
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Ken in Oklahoma
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I have a project bike which is either a 79 S bike or an RT converted to S. I just took a look at it. What I have is consistent with the pics. The bike is black, though I have thin red and gold pinstripes. The engine front cover is ribbed on the sides. I understand that this was changed with the introduction of the bean can points. And I do mean points, not sensor. The seat cover does not look like mine. The engine badges are generic BMW. The engine top cover and filter is clam shell type. The front brakes are ATE w under tank master cylinder. The rear brake is Brembo hydraulic. The gear change lever is the adjustable type, but that was introduced for '78.

That's about all I picked up on. I'll likely be out of touch this morning, but I would be happy to answer any questions that I can, or at least any questions that can be answered by looking.

I have a couple comments about the bike that this post is about. The bike shows significant neglect, things like the cockeyed turn signal housings. I do have one particular concern. I see quite a bit of rust, for example the rust on the carb tops. This tells me that the bike has spent quite a bit ot time exposed to weather. The paint would also be a give away, but the paint looks relatively glossy, though dusty. Hard to tell. But a bike that has been kept out of the weather will have glossy paint. In particular I would look at the frame paint to see how it's holding up. Also the tank badges appear to be "not yellowed". Another good sign.

That's about all I picked up on. I'll likely be out of touch this morning, but I would be happy to answer any questions that I can, or at least any questions that can be answered by looking.

Were I actively looking for another airhead I would be interested in the bike, but cautious. I would be particularly concerned about the condition of the under the tank master cylinder. I would want the brakes to feel firm and correct. I would be particularly concerned about signs of leaking brake fluid on the frame top tube and surrounding area. This area is seemingly always gunky from brake fluid.

Oh, and the speedo and tach and lights really need to work, or the bike be priced accordingly.

In summary, from the pics, I would make a perhaps WAG that the bike is relatively low mileage but has had a hard time being exposed to the weather.

Oh, and yet another thought. If the owner is cooperative I would really like to see a bit of transmission oil to see if any water is in there. An airhead spending significant time in the rain will often collect water running down the speedometer cable and into the transmission. Seeing the oil is hard to do without draining it, but perhaps the owner would consent to a wire being dipped into the oil and examined.

Also I would want to feel the backlash in the drive line by lifting the rear wheel above the ground and rotating it back and forth. That might give you some insight as to the condition of the rear wheel and transmission splines.

Does the bike run and idle well, carbs synchronized too? I would expect the answer to be no. That certainly wouldn't be a show stopper, but is something to consider, again, what has been the quality of maintenance.

I would certainly have room for that bike at the right price! :)

Addendum: The transmission is ribbed.


Ken, lusting lightly in OKlahoma
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"The engine front cover is ribbed on the sides. I understand that this was changed with the introduction of the bean can points. And I do mean points, not sensor. The seat cover does not look like mine. The engine badges are generic BMW. The engine top cover and filter is clam shell type. The front brakes are ATE w under tank master cylinder. The rear brake is Brembo hydraulic. The gear change lever is the adjustable type, but that was introduced for '78. "

That sounds right, BMW would have changed the timing cover with the introduction of the bean can and the replacement of the mechanical Tacho with the electronic one?.
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